Challenger project
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Hi Don the second photo is that the one that we were bidding on ? looks alot better in your photos than the ones on ebay.
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Re: Challenger project
Fred...... the Challenger 4 is direct electric start .... 2 x 6'' 24volt CAV axial starter motors, 1 each side. My 3s are also both electric. The Challenger 1;3 and 4 were all advertised with the pilot motor start but I have never seen any with this in Australia, that is not to say there are none here but they would appear much rarer than electric. The Leyland motor would also seem more common than the Meadows in the Chall 3 but there certainly are Meadows about. I doubt if there was much difference in quality or reliability of the engines but I think it would be fair to say the Leyland had the better service and parts backup at that time. Thanks for the Challenger info, this pretty much confirms my obversations and information received over many years of association with Marshall/Fowler machines. The Challenger 3 had a fairly good reputation in Australia but was not well marketed either by the local distributors or by Marshalls. The Challenger 4 was not quite so reliable but Australian conditions are fairly harsh and Aussie operators were well known for their ability to find a weakness in a machine that nobody else could. Cheers Don.
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Hi Don,
Verry interesting. Thanks for the photos. and your reply.
I did'nt know that Fowlers produced Challenger3's or 4's with "Fluid Drive". There were quite a few machines in the 1950's/60's which used a "Fluid Drive" coupled to a conventional clutch and gearbox, one that comes to mind is in Foden dump trucks.
I have only ever seen two Challenger 4's and both had direct electric start. I didn't know they ever offered pilot engine start on the 3's.
I agree there was probably little difference in quality of build between the Meadows and Leyland engines, possibly Meadows had the edge, but Leyland spares availability and service was better over here too.
Reading your posts and others from "Down Under" there are more Challengers surviving with you than here.
Thanks again and good luck.
Fred
Verry interesting. Thanks for the photos. and your reply.
I did'nt know that Fowlers produced Challenger3's or 4's with "Fluid Drive". There were quite a few machines in the 1950's/60's which used a "Fluid Drive" coupled to a conventional clutch and gearbox, one that comes to mind is in Foden dump trucks.
I have only ever seen two Challenger 4's and both had direct electric start. I didn't know they ever offered pilot engine start on the 3's.
I agree there was probably little difference in quality of build between the Meadows and Leyland engines, possibly Meadows had the edge, but Leyland spares availability and service was better over here too.
Reading your posts and others from "Down Under" there are more Challengers surviving with you than here.
Thanks again and good luck.
Fred
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Re: Challenger project
A publicity shot of a Challenger 4 with Australian blade
With regards to your comments Fred about not knowing that Fowlers ever produced a fluid drive you could be right. I had always assumed that this was a Leeds production but in recent years I have started to wonder if it was in fact an Australian addition. The engineering is quite well done but looks "different" to normal Fowler work and I suspect that it may have been added by the Australian distributors
Interesting ????? Cheers Don.
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I am mainly interested in Internationals and Caterpillar, but after having visited Fred to see the Challenger,I am impressed by its build and its size.
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B100 LOADER wrote:I am mainly interested in Internationals and Caterpillar, but after having visited Fred to see the Challenger,I am impressed by its build and its size.
Martyn
Hi All,
I've finaly found some time,
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The engine is finished and running well,
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The rest of the tractor is OK. so it's prep work for painting now, and I've got to make some new battery boxes.
Here are some progress pics' from today and for those who dont know the Fowlers, some to show the build which impressed Martyn.
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She is taking shape Fred
Have you decided what to do with the battery boxes Fred ? plate or trim them down ?
See you Saturday
Martyn
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B100 LOADER wrote:She is taking shape FredHave you decided what to do with the battery boxes Fred ? plate or trim them down ?
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Hello again,
I'm going to make new battery boxes to keep it original, but it will be one of the last jobs to do.
Made a bit more progress, had a bad attack of tinworm in the bulkhead at the rear of the engine so I've repaired that and sand blasted all the bits before they went back on.
Blew some primer on the front end today, using the stuff they use on theelectricity pylons, seems pretty good.
Ive got the Fowler orange coming this week.
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Had a bit of luck at the Abergavenny show Sunday, bought a new temp. guage with the long cappilliary as original for £4-50.
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Repairing the bulkhead pannel.
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Todays photos.
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Next job is to take the tank off and sort out the back end.
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