Ford industrial engine identity

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Ford industrial engine identity

Post #1 by Stormin » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:20 am

Can anyone help me identify this four cylinder Ford industrial diesel fitted to a Lincoln site welder.ImageImageImageImage

Need to source a service kit and most importantly a crankshaft rear oil seal. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #2 by TrevorJ » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:04 pm

Search for Ford_2700_Range_Diesel_Engine_Workshop_Manual.pdf

I have a copy of the manual so if you can't find it, I could upload it somewhere for you. It's about 32 megs.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-D-SERIES-2701E-2706E-2711E-2712-HEAD-GASKET-SET-2701E6C037-/400580317055


I'm sure you local parts people can get a full gasket set as well.

If the kit turns out to be Bepco - check it straight away. Bepco have a bad habit of forgetting the important gaskets. In the next week or so, I've got to make the front sump seal for a fordson as the sods were drunk (or something) the day they packed the one I got and that seal is only available in the full gasket set ... a quick google found they are known for that sort of thing.

It's interesting to read the 2712 is slightly updated from the super major fordson engine ... it's said to have dry sleeves amongst other things.


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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #3 by Stormin » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:48 pm

Thanks Trevor.

We were expecting it to be a Fordson Major engine but appeared slightly different and seems to have had an engine change at some time. The engine is black and the rest of the machine is in a light blue hammered finish.

Took the flywheel off today and the oil leak doesn't appear too bad from there, most of the contamination in the bell housing may have come from the failed seals around the armature bearings which will definitely be changed. Changing the rear crank seal looks like a big job, sump off and drop the crank to get to the top half of the seal so may get left as is.


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Post #4 by tctractors » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:52 pm

I have SAE300 welders with the 2700 Ford motor, I am fairly sure the rear crank seal is realy a reverse thread on the crank with the asbestos type half moon inserts in the sump and back case, with any undue oil leaks in this area caused by worn out main bearings allowing the crank to drop, the rotor bearings are only grease filled and hardly cause any trouble, rear crank oil leaks are not something often seen on these welders.
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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #5 by FOWLER MAN » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:58 pm

Heres your engine as Trevor says, I ran a few at one time.
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They were pretty bomb proof, a big leap forward from the 4D Major/ Super Major engines.
Parts should be no problem from a good factor.
Be sure to check the crank case breather. A restricted breather can cause oil to be pushed past the seals.
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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #6 by essexpete » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:17 pm

Good old engine, we fitted one in an old Weatherill/Fordson years ago and it was transformed.

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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #7 by jcb4cx » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:41 pm

i have a couple of 2722E engines that were from standby pumps ,both stuck from standing /water ingress 250hrs and 1100 hrs

not had a chance to strip them down yet
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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #8 by Stormin » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:33 pm

tctractors wrote:I have SAE300 welders with the 2700 Ford motor, I am fairly sure the rear crank seal is realy a reverse thread on the crank with the asbestos type half moon inserts in the sump and back case, with any undue oil leaks in this area caused by worn out main bearings allowing the crank to drop, the rotor bearings are only grease filled and hardly cause any trouble, rear crank oil leaks are not something often seen on these welders.
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This machine has sucked a lot of greasey muck through the windings at some time. The windings are away at a motor specialist form cleaning,testing, coating and re-baking to ensure future reliability.
Do you have any manuals on the electrical side of these welders? There seems to have been a few wires messed about with over the years. There is an old style 3 pin plug in the dashboard which one manual suggest may be for remote amps control but it also has wires going out to what looks like a modern 3 pin 110 volt socket. The 110 volt ouptput seemed a bit up and down.

It's looking like the rotor bearings are being replaced by modern sealed for life type. It's actually my friends welder and due to go out on a job for the first time in his ownership so getting a bit of a overhaul.


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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #9 by Stormin » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:34 pm

FOWLER MAN wrote:Heres your engine as Trevor says, I ran a few at one time.
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They were pretty bomb proof, a big leap forward from the 4D Major/ Super Major engines.
Parts should be no problem from a good factor.
Be sure to check the crank case breather. A restricted breather can cause oil to be pushed past the seals.
Fred


Thanks Fred. It's on the check list. Given the amount of gunk on the outside of the engine it could we be blocked.


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Re: Ford industrial engine identity

Post #10 by tctractors » Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:07 am

Stormin, I do have service/tech book on the beast, the plug for the output control is a handy item although I dont use it as its just another thing to fiddle with, a pal of mine has about 6 of these controls sat on a shelf, as for the 110 volt supply the best route here is the small bolt on belt driven generator that is front of engine driven, as this saves knocking the small exciter end of the welder about, if you get stuck with anything I also have? a few welder units that are in the spare parts bin.
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