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Down in the woods today.

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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #11 by pk1200 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:02 pm

Loading out the logs.
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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #12 by bigkit » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:04 pm

Really good pics thanx for posting. :thumbup:


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Post #13 by BulldozerD11 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:55 pm

Hi Brian
pk1200 wrote:Loading out the logs.


:claphands: Nice sequence of photos there.
Bet thats not as easy as it looks to get a nice tight load on those Timber trucks so they dont shift about in transit. (I notice they have spun some 180 degrees even load out)

Re the old tractor yes i remember seeing the article with its front lifted up. Have to drive by the brakes. The sent some like the on i posted to the antartix expodition IIRC MF had one back at coventry but its now at AGCO in France (but they wrecked it by having the apprentices 'restor' it with a repaint).

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Post #14 by pk1200 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:46 pm

Dave,were the tracks and blade factory options or after market add ons?


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Post #15 by BulldozerD11 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:09 am

pk1200 wrote:Dave,were the tracks and blade factory options or after market add ons?


The tracks in Half track anf full track versions were sold as an 'official' option built by Bombadier according to an old brochure show in The Hunday experience book by Moffit and Farnworth.

Blade is probably a Bomford 'sapper' earthmover introduced in 1948 and then marketed by Ferguson from 1950.

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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #16 by pk1200 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:38 pm

Dave, would that Bombadier be the same company that now builds the planes?


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Post #17 by BulldozerD11 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:18 pm

pk1200 wrote:Dave, would that Bombadier be the same company that now builds the planes?


There is also a Bombadier that builds Trains.

A Quick wikipedia search gives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Inc.#History ,which shows them building snow mobiles post war. So think the track system was related to that.

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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #18 by pk1200 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:41 pm

HI Dave
that's an interesting site,thanks for the info.

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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #19 by DaveS » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:55 am

Hi Dave/Brian,

That wrap-around-the-tyre type of half-track conversion was popular in forestry in the UK in the 60s and 70s the main UK suppliers being James Jones (builders of the popular red Highland County forestry tractors) and Chieftain Forge, with conversions being carried out on many makes and models of tractor.

Jones used the Ford 3000 in that configuration to build log skidding tractors with Igland winches, and the Ford 5000 fitted with a cab mounted Cranab crane as the basis for their early Highlander forwarder. Chieftain Forge used Leylands (as they were next to the factory!) with cab mounted Wartsilla cranes (the same Wartsilla that build ship's engines!). In their day they were highly regarded for their 'go-anywhere' ability.

Note that the wee Fergie above has a fabric, conveyor belt like belt on the tracks, whereas the Scandinavian ones tended to use steel links like today’s forwarder band tracks in Brian’s pictures.

As said the front wheels could be raised hydraulically, but the Scandinavians used a pair of hydraulic rams mounted on the trailer drawbar to steer in that mode, in the same way an articulated dumper or forwarder does, and they seldom put the front wheels down!

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Re: Down in the woods today.

Post #20 by BulldozerD11 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:05 pm

DaveS wrote:Hi Dave/Brian,

That wrap-around-the-tyre type of half-track conversion was popular in forestry in the UK in the 60s and 70s the main UK suppliers being James Jones (builders of the popular red Highland County forestry tractors) and Chieftain Forge, with conversions being carried out on many makes and models of tractor.

Jones used the Ford 3000 in that configuration to build log skidding tractors with Igland winches, and the Ford 5000 fitted with a cab mounted Cranab crane as the basis for their early Highlander forwarder. Chieftain Forge used Leylands (as they were next to the factory!) with cab mounted Wartsilla cranes (the same Wartsilla that build ship's engines!). In their day they were highly regarded for their 'go-anywhere' ability.

Note that the wee Fergie above has a fabric, conveyor belt like belt on the tracks, whereas the Scandinavian ones tended to use steel links like today’s forwarder band tracks in Brian’s pictures. Dave. S.


Thanks Dave

Is James Jones the builder of Highlander brand equipment / conversions or are they another firm ?

Can you point me to any more info on Cheftain Forge and James Jones so i can add them to my list of converters etc.

Wartsilla as a crane manufacturer are a new one to me - thanks

Canvas belt 'tracks' were used on early half tracks and known as the kegressi system and were tried out around WW1 time on military veickes. Invented by a french man in Russia and used on the Tsar's cars for snow. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9gresse_track


.... As said the front wheels could be raised hydraulically, but the Scandinavians used a pair of hydraulic rams mounted on the trailer drawbar to steer in that mode, in the same way an articulated dumper or forwarder does, and they seldom put the front wheels down!


:idea: So then why have front wheels then - so drop the axle and create the 'classic' ADT layout, as the front wheels would only get caut up in the trash and stumps etc in the forest. But who did it first is the $10,000 question

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