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Very off topic.. lighting regs. Opinions invited.

Post #1 by hair bear » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:11 am

My nephew is doing some work for a high profile fast food operation using his own car, and has been demanded to use a car roof magnetic illuminated sign or face dismissal.
When lit, it shows red, white, and blue light to both sides, and white light is visible to the rear. Neither the sign itself, or the supply cord have any kind of 'E' or 'CE' approval markings so it would appear there is no C&U compliance for the electrical or mounting suitability.
Safe and legal to use or not?


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Post #2 by Jeremy Rowland » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:56 pm

hair bear wrote:My nephew is doing some work for a high profile fast food operation using his own car, and has been demanded to use a car roof magnetic illuminated sign or face dismissal.
When lit, it shows red, white, and blue light to both sides, and white light is visible to the rear. Neither the sign itself, or the supply cord have any kind of 'E' or 'CE' approval markings so it would appear there is no C&U compliance for the electrical or mounting suitability.
Safe and legal to use or not?



My guess would be that is illegal so get the HSE involved, that will give them something to worry about.

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Post #3 by hair bear » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:43 pm

Good shout, I was thinking DOT but I don't think even I could be that cruel!!!

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Post #4 by XS650 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:05 pm

Even more important is he insured for the business , police have pulled a lot of young delivery drivers hereabouts and fined them for not having right insurance.

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Post #5 by Jeremy Rowland » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:40 pm

XS650 wrote:Even more important is he insured for the business , police have pulled a lot of young delivery drivers hereabouts and fined them for not having right insurance.

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Good call there Craig and very true.

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Post #6 by essexpete » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:39 am

Sod it I would check with VOSA. I guess this might be Italian style dough based? I cannot think that a rear facing white light is acceptable.


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Post #7 by hair bear » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:46 pm

Thanks chaps.
Insurance wise, valid OBU is in place complete with certificate!
Could well be italian frisbee style dough based, with US marketing. Not so much a grey area, more red white and blue...
I have tried VOSA/DVSA, their answer was that they don't deal with this - try contacting the DOT. I've taken this up as I sometimes help out as well when it's busy so is of interest on my own account.

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Post #8 by jcb4cx » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:54 pm

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except–

(a)amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;
(b)white light from a reversing lamp;
(c)white light from a work lamp;
(d)light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
(e)light from an illuminated rear registration plate;
(f)light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;
(g)in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;
(h)blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(i)white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(j)green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;
(k)blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;
(l)amber light from a warning beacon fitted to–
(i)a road clearance vehicle;
(ii)a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;
(iii)a breakdown vehicle;
(iv)a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;
(v)a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;
(vi)a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(vii)a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;
(viii)a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;
(ix)a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;
(x)a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;
(xi)a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;
(xii)a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;
(m)green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);
(n)yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;
(o)light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;
(p)reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;
(q)reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of–
(i)a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;
(ii)a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or
(iii)an invalid carriage;
(r)reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;
(s)reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;
(t)reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to–
(i)a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;
(ii)a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;
(iii)a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;
(iv)a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 1000 kg;
(v)a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;
(vi)a load carried by any vehicle; or
(u)reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981(16) or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 198
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Post #9 by hair bear » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:43 pm

That's the bit I was looking for, thanks.
Spoke to the DOT earlier, they have given me an email address for the International Vehicle Standards office.
This is getting interesting.


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