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Hello
How did we ever manage with these old 2 wheel drive dumps?
Here are a few photographic reminders

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Thanks for posting those Fred!

FOWLER MAN wrote:

Hello
How did we ever manage with these old 2 wheel drive dumps?
Here are a few photographic reminders

The answer lies in the fact that they were better than what was used before

When you look at the concept it was a quantum leap in 1958 - for instance it used the same power unit as the Muir-Hill dumpers of the day, but carted far more. With the weight transfer hitch and air brakes allowing bigger payloads, with better control and safety than using a 'normal' tractor and trailer combo.

They did need a bit of help in the traction department now and again :oops:

but there was the factory option of six-wheel drive with a County (with torque convertor) on the front and a hydraulic drive axle on the trailer.

Dave. S.

When the road between Calais and Boulogne was being upgraded in conjunction with the Channel Tunnel construction I noticed that one of the contractors had a fleet similar dump trailers connected to 4-wheel drive Renault tractors - presumably an industrial version of their agricultural tractors. Never got close enough to them to see if the trailer wheels were powered.
Angus

modelman093 wrote:

Hi Angus,

Steve (Neversweat) posted a couple of pics of Renaults with driven axle dump trailers in a thread here:
http://www.classicmachinery.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3807&p=32170&hilit=renault#p32170

but they may be older than the type you saw?

Dave. S.

Author:	FOWLER MAN [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:35 am ]
Post subject:	SHAWNEE POOLE
Hello How did we ever manage with these old 2 wheel drive dumps? Here are a few photographic reminders. Attachment: img059.jpg

Author:	newjcb123uk [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
I think the weather was always better in the "good old days" sigh

Author:	Site Admin [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
Funny, Volvo BM had a similar construction.

Author:	DaveS [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
. Thanks for posting those Fred! FOWLER MAN wrote: Hello How did we ever manage with these old 2 wheel drive dumps? Here are a few photographic reminders The answer lies in the fact that they were better than what was used before When you look at the concept it was a quantum leap in 1958 - for instance it used the same power unit as the Muir-Hill dumpers of the day, but carted far more. With the weight transfer hitch and air brakes allowing bigger payloads, with better control and safety than using a 'normal' tractor and trailer combo. They did need a bit of help in the traction department now and again but there was the factory option of six-wheel drive with a County (with torque convertor) on the front and a hydraulic drive axle on the trailer. Dave. S.

Author:	XS650 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
They were cheap to buy and run as well , compared to a 10te payload dump truck or tipper lorry.

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Author:	modelman093 [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
DaveS wrote: . Thanks for posting those Fred! FOWLER MAN wrote: Hello How did we ever manage with these old 2 wheel drive dumps? Here are a few photographic reminders The answer lies in the fact that they were better than what was used before When you look at the concept it was a quantum leap in 1958 - for instance it used the same power unit as the Muir-Hill dumpers of the day, but carted far more. With the weight transfer hitch and air brakes allowing bigger payloads, with better control and safety than using a 'normal' tractor and trailer combo. They did need a bit of help in the traction department now and again but there was the factory option of six-wheel drive with a County (with torque convertor) on the front and a hydraulic drive axle on the trailer. Dave. S. When the road between Calais and Boulogne was being upgraded in conjunction with the Channel Tunnel construction I noticed that one of the contractors had a fleet similar dump trailers connected to 4-wheel drive Renault tractors - presumably an industrial version of their agricultural tractors. Never got close enough to them to see if the trailer wheels were powered. Angus

Author:	DaveS [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
modelman093 wrote: When the road between Calais and Boulogne was being upgraded in conjunction with the Channel Tunnel construction I noticed that one of the contractors had a fleet similar dump trailers connected to 4-wheel drive Renault tractors - presumably an industrial version of their agricultural tractors. Never got close enough to them to see if the trailer wheels were powered. Angus Hi Angus, Steve (Neversweat) posted a couple of pics of Renaults with driven axle dump trailers in a thread here: http://www.classicmachinery.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3807&p=32170&hilit=renault#p32170 but they may be older than the type you saw? Dave. S.

Author:	modelman093 [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
DaveS wrote: modelman093 wrote: When the road between Calais and Boulogne was being upgraded in conjunction with the Channel Tunnel construction I noticed that one of the contractors had a fleet similar dump trailers connected to 4-wheel drive Renault tractors - presumably an industrial version of their agricultural tractors. Never got close enough to them to see if the trailer wheels were powered. Angus Hi Angus, Steve (Neversweat) posted a couple of pics of Renaults with driven axle dump trailers in a thread here: http://www.classicmachinery.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3807&p=32170&hilit=renault#p32170 but they may be older than the type you saw? Dave. S. Hi Dave, Similar, but my recollection is that the units that I saw had twin axle trailers and oversize lugged tyres on the tractor front axles - but it was a while ago! Angus

Author:	XS650 [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
Fordson Major in grainy colour.... Attachment: E.jpg

Author:	Cat Tracks [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: SHAWNEE POOLE
They bring back memories of St.Neots by-pass, 1986! A well known Essex earthmover had a few to top soil batters. Great way to get into the business then. Once you showed a bit of promise it was onto the Volvo 861 then the "majestic" Volvo 5350 which as you can imagine was a huge step. I remember the Shawnee Poole as draughty, noisy and cold but at least it was a start. Could you get anyone to sit on one these days?? Regards Pete H.

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