Hi,
Here are a few Challenger pics I havent seen before.
First two of the rare 22.
This 33 belonged to Leatherbarrow of Liverpool. I bought an Allis Chalmers 21P out of their fleet.
Some more 33s.
old Fowler 22 & 33 photos.
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old Fowler 22 & 33 photos.
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Re: old Fowler 22 & 33 photos.
Hi Pete,
I don't know much about the 65 h.p. Challenger 22. A friend of mine ran one for years and he was more than happy with it.
TheChallenger 33 was designed to compete with the Cat D7C & D, the International TD18 & BTD20 and maybe the Allis HD16 of the mid 1950's and early 60's.
It was 125 h.p. and used D7 running gear, about 16 tons with blade.
In 1955 when it first appeared it was pretty well ahead of the game.
It had a direct electric start and an instant starting direct injection engine when the others still had petrol starting systems and indirect injection fuel systems. (Allis were 2 stroke).
It had planetary final drives, the others didn't use them for another 15 to 20 years. no special tools were needed to work on the back end, no sprockets or flanges to pull off or press on like Cats.
In 40 Years with the five 33's we owned and two customers machines we never replaced anything but seals.
It had hydraulic track adjustment when the others still had screw types, and they were 30% more fuel efficient than the Cats.
Sadly Thos. Ward and subsequent owners didn't devellop them and the compettition passed them by. I could still order most spares from a 1955 parts book right up to the end, about 1988.
They were cheap enough to buy too, in 1977 I was offered a 33 (AM 140) with blade and cab for£18,000, a Cat D6C at that time was £36,000.
Heres an interesting comparison of the performance of a 33 compared with the later, heavier and more powerfull 160 h.p.D7E. this is from Robert Fearnlys Website. ( Click to enlarge and read the caption below the pic.).
Fred
I don't know much about the 65 h.p. Challenger 22. A friend of mine ran one for years and he was more than happy with it.
TheChallenger 33 was designed to compete with the Cat D7C & D, the International TD18 & BTD20 and maybe the Allis HD16 of the mid 1950's and early 60's.
It was 125 h.p. and used D7 running gear, about 16 tons with blade.
In 1955 when it first appeared it was pretty well ahead of the game.
It had a direct electric start and an instant starting direct injection engine when the others still had petrol starting systems and indirect injection fuel systems. (Allis were 2 stroke).
It had planetary final drives, the others didn't use them for another 15 to 20 years. no special tools were needed to work on the back end, no sprockets or flanges to pull off or press on like Cats.
In 40 Years with the five 33's we owned and two customers machines we never replaced anything but seals.
It had hydraulic track adjustment when the others still had screw types, and they were 30% more fuel efficient than the Cats.
Sadly Thos. Ward and subsequent owners didn't devellop them and the compettition passed them by. I could still order most spares from a 1955 parts book right up to the end, about 1988.
They were cheap enough to buy too, in 1977 I was offered a 33 (AM 140) with blade and cab for£18,000, a Cat D6C at that time was £36,000.
Heres an interesting comparison of the performance of a 33 compared with the later, heavier and more powerfull 160 h.p.D7E. this is from Robert Fearnlys Website. ( Click to enlarge and read the caption below the pic.).
Fred
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Re: old Fowler 22 & 33 photos.
Sadly Fred the 'getting left behind' seems to be about right across most Brit Trucks and Plant. I had not realised just how expensive these machine were even in 1971. Explains why a farm I worked on in 1982 were still running Cats of all sizes from the 40s and 50s.
Thanks.
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